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Refusing to Start Without a Bit of a Rest
« on: October 29, 2018, 01:36:22 PM »
My B has developed a nasty habit of suddenly dying, refusing to start until it has had a bit of a rest, then starting and running fine, though perhaps briefly.

This happened first a few days ago when temperatures were in the low to mid 90’s.  After running fine on a return trip (20 minutes or so each way, suburban driving),  I gave it a little gas after coming to the bottom of a half mile hill.  Nothing.  Cranked fine; wouldn’t fire.  We spent five minutes or so in the heat pushing it off the busy, four lane, road and onto the side road that led to home.  I tried the starter- it fired immediately ran and got me the rest of the way home.
Later on, slightly cooler weather- two more round trips of the same sort as above; no problem. The second of those trips was yesterday; washed and waxed the car prior to a car show today.

I got up this morning temp around 50 degrees.   Drove it about five or ten minutes, turned off the busy road trying to find the show.  Wrong place.  Turned around, started back to the busy road; car died.  We did all the intelligent things we could think of with no tools; nothing made a difference.  We were about to give up, when I hit the starter again- it ran!!  Hurrah, let’s go.  Two or three minutes later, back on the busy road, and it died again.  Pushed it back to a safe place off the road.  Similar pattern- looked like plenty of fuel in the fuel filter; starter spun the engine fine, but wouldn’t even pop,  until perhaps ten minutes later when it fired (normally), and ran.  Being a bit skeptical, we let it sit for a few minutes; again, it died.  By this time a “car guy” from the show had appeared.  He was suspicious of an overheating coil, but it was not hot to his touch.  His other thought was that there may be an electronic module which was overheating.

I went to the show without the car; came back a couple of hours later, and was able to get it back home.

Your thoughts?  Any further diagnostics I should do? 

John W Philbrick
Brentwood, Tennessee

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Re: Refusing to Start Without a Bit of a Rest
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2018, 01:40:59 PM »
A:   It's kind of a rule of thumb that what looks like a fuel problem is actually an electrical problem (or vice-versa).  It feels like it electrically fails, so your attention goes to the coil and other potential issues, but it just as likely could be a fuel issue.
I had the exact same experience for a long time and it turned out to be the fuel pump.  It was an old one and it seemed to 'vapor lock' under certain conditions.  Letting it sit allowed it to bleed-off and it then functioned normally for a time after that.  Replacing the pump with the new electronic version of the SU pump has remedied the issue, without recurrence for many for years.

However, I did replace the coil, installed a Pertronix ignition system and the spark plug and coil wires before realizing the actual culprit.

That said  if the coil looks pretty with its aluminium case, it can also be bad, so I'd consider changing it for just that reason.
This would be my check sequence:

First, if you haven't, check if you have spark as soon as it dies and won't restart.  Pull a wire and and take out a spark plug. 
Holding the wire or ceramic top of the plug (do not hold the metal case of the plug unless you want a nasty shock) and ground the metal case of the plug,  Have someone turn it over and see if it sparks.  If you do, then the coil is not the culprit and I'd move on to the less obvious. If you don't, I'd then check every connection to the coil and all the ignition wire. Include checking the tach lead.  They come off or loose, the ignition is defeated and you get no spark.

Next, check if you have fuel right after it fails and won't restart.  Pull the hose off either the carb or fuel filter and hold a cup or can under it.  Have someone turn the key and see if it clicks and pumps gas.  It doesn't, you know where to look next. No clicking from the pump, that's probably the issue.  Check electrical connections first, but, if over 10 years old, pulling the pump would be good idea. If the pump is clicking, but there's no fuel at the carbs, it could be a blocked gas line or damaged pick-up in the fuel tank. Fuel flows and you have spark, go on to carbs and their floats.

Another question is - was the tank always low when the car failed?  If yes, could be rust in the tank, a damaged fuel pick-up or a partially blocked filter on the pick-up (if so equipped).

I hope that helps you.  Keep me posted on how you make out and what you find.

Safety Fast!
Art Isaacs
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